• how much you draw from MCU - some of it's def. accidental, since I'm more familiar with the MCU, but the times I do it deliberately are about CR. It may be trying to have my cake and eat it too, but basically, there are so many great MCU characters in the game, with cool accompanying connections to Clint, I'm sometimes trying to preserve some of their MCU connection for the sake of diving right into threading with them.
• opening post went full shield agent, but I don't think that 616 Clint was ever part of the organization beyond the government funding the Avengers received from time to time. - I'm probably confusing Clint's New Avengers run with S.H.I.E.L.D. since Maria Hill was at the fore of his and Black Widow's brainwashing. Still, Clint's headed enough organizations, I imagine borrowing some protocols would happen, even if his learning of them was brief.
• Coulson gets a special shoutout - yeah, that was entirely for CR: catching Jemma Simmons's attention.
• his relationship with Natasha is largely platonic, but didn't they hook up before he was married? - yes indeed! That was why I said "largely" but I guess it was misleading. That also was kinda a CR thing: Nat!player and I agree that we appreciate and are interested in the dynamic of a close het male-female relationship that is NOT based on sex/romance (—and doesn't require either to be taken elsewhere, as in the MCU). So, even though Nat and Clint were initially an item, the lion's part of their relationship since has been as bros and that's how they're interested in continuing.
• Why not MCU if that's the Clint that makes you comfortable? Is there a particular appeal of the 616 characterization that speaks to you? - good question…! I guess by default I'm gonna know more about MCU Clint than any other, but he doesn't make me more comfortable—he makes me actively uncomfortable, or at least turned off. I feel making him be taken elsewhere to ensure he and Nat are just platonic was a lazy choice; Laura Barton deserved better than just to be set dressing; it felt very out of sync when the rest is about found family; and some things were a good idea but came off as being racist/sexist. e.g. I appreciate what they were probably going for in his relationship with Wanda Maximoff, but it really came off wrong to me, and then his Ronin phase required taking out his feelings on non-white people in other countries… just problems, and this sense of flattening out. (For me, anyway.) However, I'm not really drawn to 616! Barton at large; like I said, I find 616! kinda loose and sprawling. Just the Fraction/Aja one, which I find tight and awesome. So I'm pretty much treating that one as my lodestar, and trying to stick with 616! as its foundation. But if some supplementary MCU sneaks in… Well, one of my castmates, who's read it all, is generously helping me with my blindspots. So far they've been of the mind that that's okay.
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Date: 2019-08-16 11:33 am (UTC)• how much you draw from MCU - some of it's def. accidental, since I'm more familiar with the MCU, but the times I do it deliberately are about CR. It may be trying to have my cake and eat it too, but basically, there are so many great MCU characters in the game, with cool accompanying connections to Clint, I'm sometimes trying to preserve some of their MCU connection for the sake of diving right into threading with them.
• opening post went full shield agent, but I don't think that 616 Clint was ever part of the organization beyond the government funding the Avengers received from time to time. - I'm probably confusing Clint's New Avengers run with S.H.I.E.L.D. since Maria Hill was at the fore of his and Black Widow's brainwashing. Still, Clint's headed enough organizations, I imagine borrowing some protocols would happen, even if his learning of them was brief.
• Coulson gets a special shoutout - yeah, that was entirely for CR: catching Jemma Simmons's attention.
• his relationship with Natasha is largely platonic, but didn't they hook up before he was married? - yes indeed! That was why I said "largely" but I guess it was misleading. That also was kinda a CR thing: Nat!player and I agree that we appreciate and are interested in the dynamic of a close het male-female relationship that is NOT based on sex/romance (—and doesn't require either to be taken elsewhere, as in the MCU). So, even though Nat and Clint were initially an item, the lion's part of their relationship since has been as bros and that's how they're interested in continuing.
• Why not MCU if that's the Clint that makes you comfortable? Is there a particular appeal of the 616 characterization that speaks to you? - good question…! I guess by default I'm gonna know more about MCU Clint than any other, but he doesn't make me more comfortable—he makes me actively uncomfortable, or at least turned off. I feel making him be taken elsewhere to ensure he and Nat are just platonic was a lazy choice; Laura Barton deserved better than just to be set dressing; it felt very out of sync when the rest is about found family; and some things were a good idea but came off as being racist/sexist. e.g. I appreciate what they were probably going for in his relationship with Wanda Maximoff, but it really came off wrong to me, and then his Ronin phase required taking out his feelings on non-white people in other countries… just problems, and this sense of flattening out. (For me, anyway.) However, I'm not really drawn to 616! Barton at large; like I said, I find 616! kinda loose and sprawling. Just the Fraction/Aja one, which I find tight and awesome. So I'm pretty much treating that one as my lodestar, and trying to stick with 616! as its foundation. But if some supplementary MCU sneaks in… Well, one of my castmates, who's read it all, is generously helping me with my blindspots. So far they've been of the mind that that's okay.
Any of that make sense?